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I was thinking : a new year, a new version of architecturals?

Is there any recent news about importing architecturals in bricscad 9 ? I am using version 9 of bricscad more frequently and i'm pleased with it. It would be nice not having to change between architecturals en bricscad 9.

Yes , I guess it's time to update you.
We have worked hard on the porting of Architecturals to Bricscad V9. First of all there is the code that was to be revised and updated to the new architecture of Bricscad - as you know by now Bricscad V8, V9 is a complete rewrite from scratch and as such a brand new product. But when we looked to the GUI of Bricscad V9 and compared it to the old GUI of Architecturals we decided that this also at least had to be reworked and be in line with Bricscad V9.
Most of the job is done and my best guess is that we will probably be able to release within 6 weeks from now. The documentation might be a bit behind because all the GUI items need to be updated. We will not wait for the completion of the documentation - an ongoing job - but will release as planned. You have waited long enough.

Thanks for your confidence all the time.
erik

Thanks for the good news. I'm looking forward to the new version.

Oooooh! I was just getting all grumpy and about to post another "Okay chaps, what happened to the New Year release" message when I spotted this. Excellent! Thanks Erik.

I look forward to evaluating NEW Architecturals ASAP.
One of our new projects is at the stage of choosing solution for BIM.

Thanks !

Jiabin Jang

Any final release date for architecturals ??

Any chance of an update, Erik? Every day when I fire up Architecturals I think "I wonder what's happened to that new version...."

I just uploaded an update to the LINUX forum, so I feel obliged to update the Architecturals community as well.

Here as well I confirm that we continuously work hard on the code. There has been a big change in our development strategy. When we decided to port Architecturals to the new Bricscad technology we decided to use the shortest way which is a development mainly in SDS (C code), so no ARX/BRX implementation. Our time planning was based on that. In the development we saw that this was wrong because a BRX implemetation will give us a lot extra overtime. We have changed strategy and are implementing using our BRX API for offering the best solution for the future. This means that we have to add a couple of new functions in Bricscad here and there as well. The development is ongoing till completion. There is no interruption. I hope to be able to announce a beta version soon, which will be available for you all of course.
Thank you for your patience.

Best, erik

We're a further 2-3 months down the line from you last update Erik, so how soon will 'soon' be here?

When can we update our new bricscad architecturals? 

Is the development of this product finished?

Is there any development at all?

We have to decide if we continue with architecturals or have to move to Revit.  It would be a pitty because we are crazy about the ease and capacities of architecturals, but without any clearity of development...

Please an answer...

Regards,

Wim Van Landschoot,

projectarchitect van pvl-architectenbureau,

Koksijde, Belgium.

I have noticed that the program Architecturals is not anymore to sell in the E-Store Bricssys Products.

There is probably no will to continue this product.

It's a pity

RSTAS

How about it, Folks?

We are three months down the road since the most recent update, and for those of us that use Architecturals as a basis for our professional output I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to know if the product we're using has a future. Delays are one thing, dead-ends are another...

Thanks

Phil B

i've read a reply about a civilengineering program being ported to bricscad 9, but in this part it stays quiet. As a professional user from the first version till now, i would like to know the future. Because i like architecturals, i would like continue using it, but i don't want to continue using something with no future because the competition doens't stand still. So please keep us informed.

Greetings

Jos Bex

Gentlemen,

The porting of Architecturals to BRX and Bricscad V9 is more work then we estimated - I have to admit. We had to add functionality to Bricscad V9 in order to have all the functionality of Architecturals fully working. As you may know Bricscad V8 was the first version of the full rewrite, which means that we didn't had all of V7 in it.

In June we were close to an alpha version, but were forced to stop the development temporarily. We always have some projects in parallel: extending our BRX API for applications, native LINUX version of Bricscad V9, working on a new major release V10, and we still had to work on some parts of the rewrite. In this internal competition, unfortunately these projects took the development resources of Architecturals.

The bad news is that this might take till December. The good news is that Architecturals will further be developed to run on Bricscad V10. How long will that then take? My best guess is maybe another two months. We certainly will give all the existing users access to the first beta release and everything that follows. I know this might be very disappointing for you but we do our best to combine competitiveness for overall Bricscad in a difficult time and market, and assure investments of our users. We have been ambitious by rewriting Bricscad from scratch. It is a project that took far more time then our worst expectations but we succeeded and still I'm convinced that we had no choice, despite it retarded things that a part of our users want to see move on. I hope in the end when you will run Architecturals on the new Bricscad you will enjoy it. By then we plan to have build in a powerful rendering engine in Bricscad that will serve Architecturals and other 3D applications that are becoming available on Bricscad.

Thanks for your understanding

Best, erik

OK, we take note.

We will be awaiting, for Architecturals.

After all this redevelopment cycle, we  strongly hope 2 improvements onmajor issues for day-to-day productivity:

- snapping is often buggy

- rebuilding the model when swithing sorey or representation script is owfully slow; almost a stopshow, as a matter of fact.

Question:

Do you have positive perspectives on these?

Otherwise, basically, Architecturals is 'a bijou' !

Yours,

PY Delens

Thx in advance , Erik

R STAS

Thanks for keeping Architecturals alive.

Jiabin

Is the roadmap of Architecturals on a 'No future' track?

I have no idea to know the future of Architecturals.

However, I hate to see such a good product disappear.

If more resources can be allocated, Architecturals could be a great product.

Thanks,

Jiabin Jang

Response from Bricsys is pretty clear:- rewrite to work on BRX/Bricscad v9 by December, plus two months or so to get it working on v10. I can't see any real reason why they'd simply make this up, so how about we take their word for it until February, when we'll all doubtless start getting twitchy again?!?

Hello,

Another new year...

What are the plans for development for architecturals??

Regards,

Wim Van Landschoot,

architect.

It's February!

Any chance of an update on progress please, Erik? Am assuming you're heading towards the new release if you're keeping to the timescale you'd expected?

Many thanks

Phil B

It's February!

Any chance of an update on progress please, Erik? Am assuming you're heading towards the new release if you're keeping to the timescale you'd expected?

+1

Jos Bex

About Bricsys

Bricsys is a global provider of engineering software through its network of 70 offices on four continents. The product portfolio consists of Bricscad and Vondle (an extended SaaS platform). Bricscad is the powerful DWG-alternative CAD platform that enables DWG-based applications to serve the growing markets of GIS, AEC, mechanical CAD, and civil engineering. Bricsys products are available in 16 languages, with more languages in development.

"where is architecturals?"

Wherever they are on the globe, customers can communicate support requests directly to the Bricsys support team around the clock. Every month, Bricsys transparently reports to its customers on the status and development of its software products.

"no reports for architecturals the last half year"

Is architecturals dead, no news bad news? I want to move on..... please keep us informed.

What does this mean for us as Architecturals users?

http://www.upfrontezine.com/2009/upf-608.htm

…..and not to forget this link below:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/bricsys/pr/prweb3554644.htm

Bonjour,

I've read the 2 web pages quioted in this thread.

The roadmap for Architecturals is of tremendous importance to us: we invested huge efforts in working out design procedures for full process 3D-2D (Building design).

If Architecturals should disappear, or change of target/featuring, we need to be kept infomed  from now on.

Please Bricsys' people, some more info?

Thanks

it seems that they have forgotten us architecturals users.

I geared my question to  the support.

I would also like a lighting on the future of architecturals.

The first time when I have to question Bricssys about the subject, it was when Brics V8 appeared

And now I am always in the point of depart

When I bought architecturals in 2003-2004, it had been said to me by an important member of Bricscad team that architectural was their baby.

It was an argument which decided on me to buy the program because I had already noticed at this time that there were not very much users

I also paid to have lessons of architectural and this lessons were expensive

I have difficult to understand  that a family could throw away his  baby, even if time has changed

In summary, I quickly want one architecturals which works on V10, or a frank lighting on his future.

Thx in advance - R STAS

" the point of depart" ....not depart but departure !

thx - RS

Hello Architectural users and Bricsys management.

As Richard Stas in the previous comment, I also switched from the first hour to BricsCAD (IntelliCad at the time I believe) with Architecturals (also with expensive lessons included). I switched comming from Microstation (Bentley) and Triforma (also developped by Brics(ys) at the time). It was a big change. IntelliCAD wasn't that great then but the Bricsys crew has done a great job over the years even considdering there are still some serious problems to solve. Architecturals was and is a great program with quit some intelligence. I have tried to promote the program to my employer several times but they were not ready to change from 2D to 3D. Now I am glad they did not make the change because, frankly, after reading the last comments and overviewing the rate of developement and updating + upgrading (???), I also start to feel left out on the Architecturals program.

My sympathy for Brics – Bricsnet – Bricsys hase always being strong, but this is a sad feeling.

Greetings.

Emiel

It's sad to say, but although i was a user from the beginning on, altough i believed in architecturals, although i used to pay the anual fee for upgrades and development i will move on to an other capable program if bricsys doesn't give a statement in the next 5 days. In these times a stand still is a going back.

Bricsys wil lose a LOYAL member from the first hour and a member that loved to work with architecturals. If a company isn't loyal to there customers (a special these from the first hour) means that the company doesn't care about them although they are the fundament the company (and the sales) is based on. It isn't the first time the managment made wrong descisions (cfr. bricsnet), but i'm afraid they do it again.

Jos Bex

Gentlemen,

The update. I refer to my tread #14 dd. 2009-09-11. I have explained what the obstacles were for picking up again the porting of Architecturals to our new platform. As you can see we are still working on the LINUX version and that is our main project today. It will take most of our development resources till completion of a first commercial release in Q2. You can follow the regular alpha versions we announce on the LINUX forum. 

Our commitment for porting Architecturals is not changed and as far as I'm concerned will not change - we will port Architecturals!  

Timing depends on the completion of mainly the LINUX version. Once that's done we can put development resources on Architecturals. 

Best,    erik

Disappointed. I am disappointed.

RSTAS

I think it doesn't take many efforts to keep us up to date and informed. Now we have to check the linux-forum (and we don't even use linux) to see when architecturals will be develloped????

So I will still have to pay the anual fee for updates and upgrades for (in my case) architecturals+briscad+structurals and i don't now what or when it will be released. I suggest that the users of architecturals don't have to pay anymore for the support, updates and upgrades till the new (stable) version will be released.

Jos Bex

Let us note that when Bricscad for Linux will be adjusted, there will be bricscad V11 to develop...

And architectural will come after bricscad V11...

But after Bricscad V11, there will be a new version version of bricscad for linux users to do , ...

It is a story without end...

RSTAS

This is one facet of the answer.

But what about the statement found on some web media (*) "we would love if others (another company ...) would take over this add-on"?

Besides that, it would be motivating  to know if there is a kind of list of the main draw-backs / bugs of Architecturals considered by the Bricsys team for being tackled for next version.

Thanks on forward

PY Delens

(*) see URL quoted earlier on this thread

Thanks for the update, Erik. It's not very encouraging. Basically you're saying getting Architecturals updated to work on the current version of Bricscad is currently at the back of a queue, behind porting of Bricscad to Linux. There's some very ambiguous language going on here; last April the development was..."ongoing till completion. There is no interruption". By September you had, it now appears, shelved "...work on some parts of the rewrite" pending work on Bricscad v10 and the Linux version. And now this will wait until after the Linux release which you predict for Q2, but which - being charitable - might happen in Q3 if there are any delays. So we're probably looking at the best part of a further year for a working version of a product which you have said in interview you would "love for someone to take.. ..over".

As a one-person architectural practice I rely on Architecturals. It's now slipping behind the competition and development has effectively ceased. I'm sorry, Erik, but saying "we will port Architecturals!" doesn't convince me, given the history and the fact your users have had to nag on here to get information. I'm really fed up with this, and the Vectorworks demo disk is winging its way to me. A real shame, after using a fine product for many years. I even bought v10 because of all the assurances about Architecturals, and have never used it. Refund, please?

Sounds like Architecturals being a dead end. After all these promises and years of waiting Bricscad has lost a lot of credibility.

This moves us away to more productive solutions!

Please any reaction on this last one, bricscad!

We have just started to train a collaborator with architecturals.  It would be a real waste of effort for us when it will not be developping in the future!!

Wim Van Landschoot,

architect.

just a note to the Bricsys people - it would appear that more and more architects are moving to integrated 2d/3d packages (Archicad or Revit etc...): in this context how on earth can you guys justify the strategic error of not promoting & developping your 'architecturals' package ?  It's a real shame as I for one like your Bricscad V10 & often rave about it to all those who pay overbloated fees to Autodesk... but if in the future you don't put the necessary weight behind architecturals I suspect that even the most ardent of your V10/11/12 users will drift off to other products...

good luck

& hope you sort this out in a positive way !

I'm indeed not far from out EXIT door, very very very  sad, after years of building complete procedures  with BC- and Arch.

Decision is heavy and difficult, but  .. underway .... somewhere

An enthusiast of BC

I regret it, but also here the exit is very very near. If there is no architecturals, bricscad goes out as wel.

I've got the feeling they even don't bother to keep us informed.

an enthusiast of architecturals who also is very disappointed.

Likewise... ...very long-term Architecturals user, sadly given up waiting and shifted to Vectorworks. Very upset at having to invest time and money starting over again, but given the complete lack of accurate communication from Bricsys I've had no alternative - my work depends on the software I use. Good luck, in whatever direction you go, folks!

As for me, It is not the first time when I have the joke. In the end of nineties, i was working on Autocad with an 3d add-on (1500 € + the price of autocad of course) ). And again once, when Architectural desktop is arrived, they said to me that my Add-on was good for the trash.

I am not anymore ready to invest time in the learning  of a 3rd program 3d. Too much time spent for not enough return. If i can give a piece of advice to the beginners : "do not work in 3d, take a good 2d program oriented to the jod of architects. In the 2d program, there is always a little 3d enough for drawing a little 3d . You will save time and money"

Of course, if architecturals continues, I shall still work with but I do not believe that Architecturals will continue. Architecturals is dead.

Thx - R.STAS